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Ergodic without atoms implies completely conservative?
Hopf decompostion for diffeomorphismsShift invariant measures that are(n't) convex combinations of ergodic measuresRecurrence for sets of finite measure on infinite measure spaceThe relations between conservative part and conservativityMarkov operators and existence of ergodic measuresNatural extensions in ergodic theory / Measurability questionIs there a complete Riemannian manifold with infinite volume whose the time-one map of the geodesic flow is recurrent?A Rokhlin lemma with a prescribed height function?Free ergodic probability measure-preserving actions of the free groupA generalized Furstenberg's $times p,times q$-conjecture
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I am currently trying to learn Patterson-Sullivan theory, but I am getting stuck on basic questions about ergodic theory. Here is one of them, given as an exercise in one of the texts I am trying to read. If you need wider context, the text (in French) is here, with the relevant question towards the bottom of page 17 (next-to-last sentence of the long paragraph).
Let ($Omega$, $Gamma$, $mu$) be a dynamical system satisfying the following assumptions:
$Omega$ is a Hausdorff, locally compact and $sigma$-compact topological space;
$Gamma$ is a countable group acting on $Omega$;
$mu$ is a Radon measure on $Omega$ that is quasi-invariant by $Gamma$ (for every $g in Gamma$, $g_* mu$ is absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$).
Let us recall some definitions:
- a subset $W subset Omega$ is called wandering if, for $mu$-almost all $w in W$, the intersection of the orbit $Gamma w$ with $W$ is finite;
- we say that the system is completely conservative if $Omega$ has no wandering subsets of positive measure;
- we say that the system is completely dissipative if $Omega$ has some wandering subset $W$ such that $Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W$.
Statement to prove: If the system is ergodic and the measure $mu$ does not have any atoms, then the system is completely conservative.
Even though it is supposed to be an easy exercise ("on vérifie aisément que..."), I am at a loss. I have found a partial proof, that works only if you can assume that the set $W$ introduced in the proof is closed. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether it is true, in general, that every completely dissipative dynamical system is generated by a closed wandering set. Can someone give me a proof of this last statement, or find some other way to fix my proof presented below?
In fact, I have remarkably little intuition about what "completely dissipative" actually means. I am tempted to think that a completely dissipative action should in particular be properly discontinuous, but apparently this is false (though I have never seen an actual counterexample). I would be very happy if I could find, somewhere, an arsenal of examples and counterexamples of completely dissipative and completely conservative systems, that is sufficiently well-stocked to forge an intuition about these properties and to be able to test whether some reasonable-sounding statement is actually true.
The partial proof: Let $Omega = Omega_C sqcup Omega_D$ be the Hopf decomposition of $Omega$, i.e. a partition of $Omega$ into two $Gamma$-invariant subsets such that $Omega_C$ is completely conservative and $Omega_D$ is completely dissipative. Since the system is ergodic, they cannot both have positive measure: this means that $Omega$ is either completely conservative or completely dissipative. By contradiction, assume the latter: let $W subset Omega$ be a wandering subset such that
$$Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W.$$
Note that the set
$$x in W mid Gamma x cap W text is finite cap operatornameSupp(mu)$$
has the same (positive) measure as $W$, hence is nonempty. Let $x_0$ be any point in this set. Let $F := g in Gamma mid g x_0 in W $; this is a finite set by construction.
Since $x_0 in operatornameSupp(mu)$, every neighborhood of $x_0$ has positive measure; on the other hand, since the measure is Radon and without atoms, any point has neighborhoods of arbitrarily small measure. Let $U$ be some neighborhood of $x_0$ such that for every $g in F$, we have $mu(g U) < fracmu(W)# F$. We can also assume (provided that $W$ is closed!) that for all $g notin F$, the image $g U$ is disjoint from $W$. Then consider the set $X := bigcup_g in Gamma g U$:
- this set is $Gamma$-invariant by construction;
- it has positive measure by construction;
- its complement $Omega setminus X$ contains in particular $W setminus X$, the complement of $W cap X$ in $W$. But by construction, the intersection $W cap X$ is contained in $bigcup_g in F g U$, so that we have
$$mu(W cap X) leq sum_g in F mu(g U) < mu(W).$$
Hence the complement $W setminus X$, and hence also the complement $Omega setminus X$, has positive measure. But these three properties of the set $X$ contradict ergodicity, QED.
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I am currently trying to learn Patterson-Sullivan theory, but I am getting stuck on basic questions about ergodic theory. Here is one of them, given as an exercise in one of the texts I am trying to read. If you need wider context, the text (in French) is here, with the relevant question towards the bottom of page 17 (next-to-last sentence of the long paragraph).
Let ($Omega$, $Gamma$, $mu$) be a dynamical system satisfying the following assumptions:
$Omega$ is a Hausdorff, locally compact and $sigma$-compact topological space;
$Gamma$ is a countable group acting on $Omega$;
$mu$ is a Radon measure on $Omega$ that is quasi-invariant by $Gamma$ (for every $g in Gamma$, $g_* mu$ is absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$).
Let us recall some definitions:
- a subset $W subset Omega$ is called wandering if, for $mu$-almost all $w in W$, the intersection of the orbit $Gamma w$ with $W$ is finite;
- we say that the system is completely conservative if $Omega$ has no wandering subsets of positive measure;
- we say that the system is completely dissipative if $Omega$ has some wandering subset $W$ such that $Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W$.
Statement to prove: If the system is ergodic and the measure $mu$ does not have any atoms, then the system is completely conservative.
Even though it is supposed to be an easy exercise ("on vérifie aisément que..."), I am at a loss. I have found a partial proof, that works only if you can assume that the set $W$ introduced in the proof is closed. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether it is true, in general, that every completely dissipative dynamical system is generated by a closed wandering set. Can someone give me a proof of this last statement, or find some other way to fix my proof presented below?
In fact, I have remarkably little intuition about what "completely dissipative" actually means. I am tempted to think that a completely dissipative action should in particular be properly discontinuous, but apparently this is false (though I have never seen an actual counterexample). I would be very happy if I could find, somewhere, an arsenal of examples and counterexamples of completely dissipative and completely conservative systems, that is sufficiently well-stocked to forge an intuition about these properties and to be able to test whether some reasonable-sounding statement is actually true.
The partial proof: Let $Omega = Omega_C sqcup Omega_D$ be the Hopf decomposition of $Omega$, i.e. a partition of $Omega$ into two $Gamma$-invariant subsets such that $Omega_C$ is completely conservative and $Omega_D$ is completely dissipative. Since the system is ergodic, they cannot both have positive measure: this means that $Omega$ is either completely conservative or completely dissipative. By contradiction, assume the latter: let $W subset Omega$ be a wandering subset such that
$$Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W.$$
Note that the set
$$x in W mid Gamma x cap W text is finite cap operatornameSupp(mu)$$
has the same (positive) measure as $W$, hence is nonempty. Let $x_0$ be any point in this set. Let $F := g in Gamma mid g x_0 in W $; this is a finite set by construction.
Since $x_0 in operatornameSupp(mu)$, every neighborhood of $x_0$ has positive measure; on the other hand, since the measure is Radon and without atoms, any point has neighborhoods of arbitrarily small measure. Let $U$ be some neighborhood of $x_0$ such that for every $g in F$, we have $mu(g U) < fracmu(W)# F$. We can also assume (provided that $W$ is closed!) that for all $g notin F$, the image $g U$ is disjoint from $W$. Then consider the set $X := bigcup_g in Gamma g U$:
- this set is $Gamma$-invariant by construction;
- it has positive measure by construction;
- its complement $Omega setminus X$ contains in particular $W setminus X$, the complement of $W cap X$ in $W$. But by construction, the intersection $W cap X$ is contained in $bigcup_g in F g U$, so that we have
$$mu(W cap X) leq sum_g in F mu(g U) < mu(W).$$
Hence the complement $W setminus X$, and hence also the complement $Omega setminus X$, has positive measure. But these three properties of the set $X$ contradict ergodicity, QED.
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I am currently trying to learn Patterson-Sullivan theory, but I am getting stuck on basic questions about ergodic theory. Here is one of them, given as an exercise in one of the texts I am trying to read. If you need wider context, the text (in French) is here, with the relevant question towards the bottom of page 17 (next-to-last sentence of the long paragraph).
Let ($Omega$, $Gamma$, $mu$) be a dynamical system satisfying the following assumptions:
$Omega$ is a Hausdorff, locally compact and $sigma$-compact topological space;
$Gamma$ is a countable group acting on $Omega$;
$mu$ is a Radon measure on $Omega$ that is quasi-invariant by $Gamma$ (for every $g in Gamma$, $g_* mu$ is absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$).
Let us recall some definitions:
- a subset $W subset Omega$ is called wandering if, for $mu$-almost all $w in W$, the intersection of the orbit $Gamma w$ with $W$ is finite;
- we say that the system is completely conservative if $Omega$ has no wandering subsets of positive measure;
- we say that the system is completely dissipative if $Omega$ has some wandering subset $W$ such that $Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W$.
Statement to prove: If the system is ergodic and the measure $mu$ does not have any atoms, then the system is completely conservative.
Even though it is supposed to be an easy exercise ("on vérifie aisément que..."), I am at a loss. I have found a partial proof, that works only if you can assume that the set $W$ introduced in the proof is closed. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether it is true, in general, that every completely dissipative dynamical system is generated by a closed wandering set. Can someone give me a proof of this last statement, or find some other way to fix my proof presented below?
In fact, I have remarkably little intuition about what "completely dissipative" actually means. I am tempted to think that a completely dissipative action should in particular be properly discontinuous, but apparently this is false (though I have never seen an actual counterexample). I would be very happy if I could find, somewhere, an arsenal of examples and counterexamples of completely dissipative and completely conservative systems, that is sufficiently well-stocked to forge an intuition about these properties and to be able to test whether some reasonable-sounding statement is actually true.
The partial proof: Let $Omega = Omega_C sqcup Omega_D$ be the Hopf decomposition of $Omega$, i.e. a partition of $Omega$ into two $Gamma$-invariant subsets such that $Omega_C$ is completely conservative and $Omega_D$ is completely dissipative. Since the system is ergodic, they cannot both have positive measure: this means that $Omega$ is either completely conservative or completely dissipative. By contradiction, assume the latter: let $W subset Omega$ be a wandering subset such that
$$Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W.$$
Note that the set
$$x in W mid Gamma x cap W text is finite cap operatornameSupp(mu)$$
has the same (positive) measure as $W$, hence is nonempty. Let $x_0$ be any point in this set. Let $F := g in Gamma mid g x_0 in W $; this is a finite set by construction.
Since $x_0 in operatornameSupp(mu)$, every neighborhood of $x_0$ has positive measure; on the other hand, since the measure is Radon and without atoms, any point has neighborhoods of arbitrarily small measure. Let $U$ be some neighborhood of $x_0$ such that for every $g in F$, we have $mu(g U) < fracmu(W)# F$. We can also assume (provided that $W$ is closed!) that for all $g notin F$, the image $g U$ is disjoint from $W$. Then consider the set $X := bigcup_g in Gamma g U$:
- this set is $Gamma$-invariant by construction;
- it has positive measure by construction;
- its complement $Omega setminus X$ contains in particular $W setminus X$, the complement of $W cap X$ in $W$. But by construction, the intersection $W cap X$ is contained in $bigcup_g in F g U$, so that we have
$$mu(W cap X) leq sum_g in F mu(g U) < mu(W).$$
Hence the complement $W setminus X$, and hence also the complement $Omega setminus X$, has positive measure. But these three properties of the set $X$ contradict ergodicity, QED.
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I am currently trying to learn Patterson-Sullivan theory, but I am getting stuck on basic questions about ergodic theory. Here is one of them, given as an exercise in one of the texts I am trying to read. If you need wider context, the text (in French) is here, with the relevant question towards the bottom of page 17 (next-to-last sentence of the long paragraph).
Let ($Omega$, $Gamma$, $mu$) be a dynamical system satisfying the following assumptions:
$Omega$ is a Hausdorff, locally compact and $sigma$-compact topological space;
$Gamma$ is a countable group acting on $Omega$;
$mu$ is a Radon measure on $Omega$ that is quasi-invariant by $Gamma$ (for every $g in Gamma$, $g_* mu$ is absolutely continuous with respect to $mu$).
Let us recall some definitions:
- a subset $W subset Omega$ is called wandering if, for $mu$-almost all $w in W$, the intersection of the orbit $Gamma w$ with $W$ is finite;
- we say that the system is completely conservative if $Omega$ has no wandering subsets of positive measure;
- we say that the system is completely dissipative if $Omega$ has some wandering subset $W$ such that $Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W$.
Statement to prove: If the system is ergodic and the measure $mu$ does not have any atoms, then the system is completely conservative.
Even though it is supposed to be an easy exercise ("on vérifie aisément que..."), I am at a loss. I have found a partial proof, that works only if you can assume that the set $W$ introduced in the proof is closed. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether it is true, in general, that every completely dissipative dynamical system is generated by a closed wandering set. Can someone give me a proof of this last statement, or find some other way to fix my proof presented below?
In fact, I have remarkably little intuition about what "completely dissipative" actually means. I am tempted to think that a completely dissipative action should in particular be properly discontinuous, but apparently this is false (though I have never seen an actual counterexample). I would be very happy if I could find, somewhere, an arsenal of examples and counterexamples of completely dissipative and completely conservative systems, that is sufficiently well-stocked to forge an intuition about these properties and to be able to test whether some reasonable-sounding statement is actually true.
The partial proof: Let $Omega = Omega_C sqcup Omega_D$ be the Hopf decomposition of $Omega$, i.e. a partition of $Omega$ into two $Gamma$-invariant subsets such that $Omega_C$ is completely conservative and $Omega_D$ is completely dissipative. Since the system is ergodic, they cannot both have positive measure: this means that $Omega$ is either completely conservative or completely dissipative. By contradiction, assume the latter: let $W subset Omega$ be a wandering subset such that
$$Omega = bigcup_g in Gamma g W.$$
Note that the set
$$x in W mid Gamma x cap W text is finite cap operatornameSupp(mu)$$
has the same (positive) measure as $W$, hence is nonempty. Let $x_0$ be any point in this set. Let $F := g in Gamma mid g x_0 in W $; this is a finite set by construction.
Since $x_0 in operatornameSupp(mu)$, every neighborhood of $x_0$ has positive measure; on the other hand, since the measure is Radon and without atoms, any point has neighborhoods of arbitrarily small measure. Let $U$ be some neighborhood of $x_0$ such that for every $g in F$, we have $mu(g U) < fracmu(W)# F$. We can also assume (provided that $W$ is closed!) that for all $g notin F$, the image $g U$ is disjoint from $W$. Then consider the set $X := bigcup_g in Gamma g U$:
- this set is $Gamma$-invariant by construction;
- it has positive measure by construction;
- its complement $Omega setminus X$ contains in particular $W setminus X$, the complement of $W cap X$ in $W$. But by construction, the intersection $W cap X$ is contained in $bigcup_g in F g U$, so that we have
$$mu(W cap X) leq sum_g in F mu(g U) < mu(W).$$
Hence the complement $W setminus X$, and hence also the complement $Omega setminus X$, has positive measure. But these three properties of the set $X$ contradict ergodicity, QED.
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The desired statement is entirely measure-theoretic, so it's not really necessary to think about the topology of $X$. By standard descriptive set theory, there exists a Borel linear ordering $preceq$ on $X$. (This means that the graph of $preceq$ is a Borel subset of $X times X$.)
Suppose toward a contradiction that $mu$ is nonatomic and the $Gamma$-action is ergodic but that there exists a wandering set $W$ of positive measure. Without loss of generality we may assume that the intersection of every $Gamma$-orbit with $W$ is finite. The ordering $preceq$ restricts to a linear ordering on each $Gamma$-orbit. If a $Gamma$-orbit $mathcalO$ intersects $W$ then $mathcalO cap W$ is nonempty and finite, so that the $preceq$-least element of $mathcalO cap W$ is well-defined. Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel. The set $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit. Since $W subseteq bigcup_gamma in Gamma V$ and $mu$ is $Gamma$-quasi-invariant it follows that $mu(V) > 0$.
Since $mu$ is nonatomic, there exists a Borel set $V_1 subseteq V$ such that if we write $V_2 = V setminus V_1$ then $min(mu(V_1),mu(V_2)) > 0$. Let $widetildeV_j = bigcup_gamma in Gamma gamma V_j$. For each $j in 1,2$ the set $widetildeV_j$ is $Gamma$-invariant and since $widetildeV_j$ contains $V_j$ we have $mu(widetildeV_j) > 0$. By ergodicity it follows that $mu(X setminus widetildeV_j) = 0$ for each $j in 1,2$.
We claim that $widetildeV_1$ and $widetildeV_2$ are pairwise disjoint, which will lead to the contradiction $$0 < mu(widetildeV_2) leq mu(X setminus widetildeV_1) =0$$
We will establish the claim by showing that that existence of $x in widetildeV_1 cap widetildeV_2$ leads to a further contradiction. Suppose that there exists such a point $x$. Then there exist $gamma_1,gamma_2 in Gamma$ with $gamma_1x in V_1$ and $gamma_2x in V_2$. Since $V_1 cap V_2 = emptyset$ we have $gamma_1x neq gamma_2x$. Since $gamma_1x = gamma_1gamma_2^-1gamma_2x$ we see that $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are in the same $Gamma$-orbit. This cannot be the case since $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are both elements of $V$ and $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit.
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The way to see that the set $V$ is Borel is to regard Borel sets as being defined by logical formulas. We say that a formula 'is Borel' if it defines a Borel subset of $X$. Countable existential quantifiers correspond to countable unions and not corresponds to complements. Thus these logical operations preserve the property of being a Borel formula.
It is implicit in the hypotheses that $Gamma$ acts by Borel automorphisms. Since $preceq$ is Borel, it follows that the predicate $gamma x prec x$ is Borel for any $gamma in Gamma$. The set $V$ can be defined as $$x in W: (not exists)(gamma in Gamma)((gamma x in W) wedge (gamma x prec x))$$.
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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First a general comment. Unfortunately, the categorical approach is completely missing in the way the measure theory is still taught nowadays, and the fact that there actually is only one "reasonable" purely non-atomic probability measure space (so called Lebesgue, Lebesgue--Rokhlin, or standard probability space) isomorphic to the unit interval endowed with the classical Lebesgue measure is not very widely known. Any Borel probability measure on a Polish space makes it a Lebesgue space, so that in particular all measure spaces one has to deal with in the Patterson theory are from this class.
The definition of a wandering set you are using is a non-standard one. According to the usual definition a measurable set is wandering if all its translates are pairwise disjoint mod 0 (i.e., the intersection with almost any orbit consists of at most one point). However, it is very easy to see that the existence of a wandering set $W$ in your sense implies the existence of a "usual" wandering set $W'$. Namely, realize your measure space as the unit interval, and then for each orbit take the minimal point from its intersection with $W$. This operation is clearly measurable and provides you with a measurable set $W'subset W$, which is wandering in the usual sense.
You are asking why ergodicity implies complete conservativity. The reason (with the right definition of wandering sets) is very simple: the union of the translates of any non-trivial subset of a wandering set is obviously a non-trivial invariant set. Actually, more generally, the union of the free discrete ergodic components of the action is precisely the dissipative part of the Hopf decomposition. See Kaimanovich for more details and Grigorchuk - Kaimanovich - Nagnibeda for various examples concerning the relationship between dissipativity and minimality of boundary actions.
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The desired statement is entirely measure-theoretic, so it's not really necessary to think about the topology of $X$. By standard descriptive set theory, there exists a Borel linear ordering $preceq$ on $X$. (This means that the graph of $preceq$ is a Borel subset of $X times X$.)
Suppose toward a contradiction that $mu$ is nonatomic and the $Gamma$-action is ergodic but that there exists a wandering set $W$ of positive measure. Without loss of generality we may assume that the intersection of every $Gamma$-orbit with $W$ is finite. The ordering $preceq$ restricts to a linear ordering on each $Gamma$-orbit. If a $Gamma$-orbit $mathcalO$ intersects $W$ then $mathcalO cap W$ is nonempty and finite, so that the $preceq$-least element of $mathcalO cap W$ is well-defined. Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel. The set $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit. Since $W subseteq bigcup_gamma in Gamma V$ and $mu$ is $Gamma$-quasi-invariant it follows that $mu(V) > 0$.
Since $mu$ is nonatomic, there exists a Borel set $V_1 subseteq V$ such that if we write $V_2 = V setminus V_1$ then $min(mu(V_1),mu(V_2)) > 0$. Let $widetildeV_j = bigcup_gamma in Gamma gamma V_j$. For each $j in 1,2$ the set $widetildeV_j$ is $Gamma$-invariant and since $widetildeV_j$ contains $V_j$ we have $mu(widetildeV_j) > 0$. By ergodicity it follows that $mu(X setminus widetildeV_j) = 0$ for each $j in 1,2$.
We claim that $widetildeV_1$ and $widetildeV_2$ are pairwise disjoint, which will lead to the contradiction $$0 < mu(widetildeV_2) leq mu(X setminus widetildeV_1) =0$$
We will establish the claim by showing that that existence of $x in widetildeV_1 cap widetildeV_2$ leads to a further contradiction. Suppose that there exists such a point $x$. Then there exist $gamma_1,gamma_2 in Gamma$ with $gamma_1x in V_1$ and $gamma_2x in V_2$. Since $V_1 cap V_2 = emptyset$ we have $gamma_1x neq gamma_2x$. Since $gamma_1x = gamma_1gamma_2^-1gamma_2x$ we see that $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are in the same $Gamma$-orbit. This cannot be the case since $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are both elements of $V$ and $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit.
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The way to see that the set $V$ is Borel is to regard Borel sets as being defined by logical formulas. We say that a formula 'is Borel' if it defines a Borel subset of $X$. Countable existential quantifiers correspond to countable unions and not corresponds to complements. Thus these logical operations preserve the property of being a Borel formula.
It is implicit in the hypotheses that $Gamma$ acts by Borel automorphisms. Since $preceq$ is Borel, it follows that the predicate $gamma x prec x$ is Borel for any $gamma in Gamma$. The set $V$ can be defined as $$x in W: (not exists)(gamma in Gamma)((gamma x in W) wedge (gamma x prec x))$$.
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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The desired statement is entirely measure-theoretic, so it's not really necessary to think about the topology of $X$. By standard descriptive set theory, there exists a Borel linear ordering $preceq$ on $X$. (This means that the graph of $preceq$ is a Borel subset of $X times X$.)
Suppose toward a contradiction that $mu$ is nonatomic and the $Gamma$-action is ergodic but that there exists a wandering set $W$ of positive measure. Without loss of generality we may assume that the intersection of every $Gamma$-orbit with $W$ is finite. The ordering $preceq$ restricts to a linear ordering on each $Gamma$-orbit. If a $Gamma$-orbit $mathcalO$ intersects $W$ then $mathcalO cap W$ is nonempty and finite, so that the $preceq$-least element of $mathcalO cap W$ is well-defined. Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel. The set $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit. Since $W subseteq bigcup_gamma in Gamma V$ and $mu$ is $Gamma$-quasi-invariant it follows that $mu(V) > 0$.
Since $mu$ is nonatomic, there exists a Borel set $V_1 subseteq V$ such that if we write $V_2 = V setminus V_1$ then $min(mu(V_1),mu(V_2)) > 0$. Let $widetildeV_j = bigcup_gamma in Gamma gamma V_j$. For each $j in 1,2$ the set $widetildeV_j$ is $Gamma$-invariant and since $widetildeV_j$ contains $V_j$ we have $mu(widetildeV_j) > 0$. By ergodicity it follows that $mu(X setminus widetildeV_j) = 0$ for each $j in 1,2$.
We claim that $widetildeV_1$ and $widetildeV_2$ are pairwise disjoint, which will lead to the contradiction $$0 < mu(widetildeV_2) leq mu(X setminus widetildeV_1) =0$$
We will establish the claim by showing that that existence of $x in widetildeV_1 cap widetildeV_2$ leads to a further contradiction. Suppose that there exists such a point $x$. Then there exist $gamma_1,gamma_2 in Gamma$ with $gamma_1x in V_1$ and $gamma_2x in V_2$. Since $V_1 cap V_2 = emptyset$ we have $gamma_1x neq gamma_2x$. Since $gamma_1x = gamma_1gamma_2^-1gamma_2x$ we see that $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are in the same $Gamma$-orbit. This cannot be the case since $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are both elements of $V$ and $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit.
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The way to see that the set $V$ is Borel is to regard Borel sets as being defined by logical formulas. We say that a formula 'is Borel' if it defines a Borel subset of $X$. Countable existential quantifiers correspond to countable unions and not corresponds to complements. Thus these logical operations preserve the property of being a Borel formula.
It is implicit in the hypotheses that $Gamma$ acts by Borel automorphisms. Since $preceq$ is Borel, it follows that the predicate $gamma x prec x$ is Borel for any $gamma in Gamma$. The set $V$ can be defined as $$x in W: (not exists)(gamma in Gamma)((gamma x in W) wedge (gamma x prec x))$$.
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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The desired statement is entirely measure-theoretic, so it's not really necessary to think about the topology of $X$. By standard descriptive set theory, there exists a Borel linear ordering $preceq$ on $X$. (This means that the graph of $preceq$ is a Borel subset of $X times X$.)
Suppose toward a contradiction that $mu$ is nonatomic and the $Gamma$-action is ergodic but that there exists a wandering set $W$ of positive measure. Without loss of generality we may assume that the intersection of every $Gamma$-orbit with $W$ is finite. The ordering $preceq$ restricts to a linear ordering on each $Gamma$-orbit. If a $Gamma$-orbit $mathcalO$ intersects $W$ then $mathcalO cap W$ is nonempty and finite, so that the $preceq$-least element of $mathcalO cap W$ is well-defined. Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel. The set $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit. Since $W subseteq bigcup_gamma in Gamma V$ and $mu$ is $Gamma$-quasi-invariant it follows that $mu(V) > 0$.
Since $mu$ is nonatomic, there exists a Borel set $V_1 subseteq V$ such that if we write $V_2 = V setminus V_1$ then $min(mu(V_1),mu(V_2)) > 0$. Let $widetildeV_j = bigcup_gamma in Gamma gamma V_j$. For each $j in 1,2$ the set $widetildeV_j$ is $Gamma$-invariant and since $widetildeV_j$ contains $V_j$ we have $mu(widetildeV_j) > 0$. By ergodicity it follows that $mu(X setminus widetildeV_j) = 0$ for each $j in 1,2$.
We claim that $widetildeV_1$ and $widetildeV_2$ are pairwise disjoint, which will lead to the contradiction $$0 < mu(widetildeV_2) leq mu(X setminus widetildeV_1) =0$$
We will establish the claim by showing that that existence of $x in widetildeV_1 cap widetildeV_2$ leads to a further contradiction. Suppose that there exists such a point $x$. Then there exist $gamma_1,gamma_2 in Gamma$ with $gamma_1x in V_1$ and $gamma_2x in V_2$. Since $V_1 cap V_2 = emptyset$ we have $gamma_1x neq gamma_2x$. Since $gamma_1x = gamma_1gamma_2^-1gamma_2x$ we see that $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are in the same $Gamma$-orbit. This cannot be the case since $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are both elements of $V$ and $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit.
$mathbfResponse,, to ,,comment$
The way to see that the set $V$ is Borel is to regard Borel sets as being defined by logical formulas. We say that a formula 'is Borel' if it defines a Borel subset of $X$. Countable existential quantifiers correspond to countable unions and not corresponds to complements. Thus these logical operations preserve the property of being a Borel formula.
It is implicit in the hypotheses that $Gamma$ acts by Borel automorphisms. Since $preceq$ is Borel, it follows that the predicate $gamma x prec x$ is Borel for any $gamma in Gamma$. The set $V$ can be defined as $$x in W: (not exists)(gamma in Gamma)((gamma x in W) wedge (gamma x prec x))$$.
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The desired statement is entirely measure-theoretic, so it's not really necessary to think about the topology of $X$. By standard descriptive set theory, there exists a Borel linear ordering $preceq$ on $X$. (This means that the graph of $preceq$ is a Borel subset of $X times X$.)
Suppose toward a contradiction that $mu$ is nonatomic and the $Gamma$-action is ergodic but that there exists a wandering set $W$ of positive measure. Without loss of generality we may assume that the intersection of every $Gamma$-orbit with $W$ is finite. The ordering $preceq$ restricts to a linear ordering on each $Gamma$-orbit. If a $Gamma$-orbit $mathcalO$ intersects $W$ then $mathcalO cap W$ is nonempty and finite, so that the $preceq$-least element of $mathcalO cap W$ is well-defined. Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel. The set $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit. Since $W subseteq bigcup_gamma in Gamma V$ and $mu$ is $Gamma$-quasi-invariant it follows that $mu(V) > 0$.
Since $mu$ is nonatomic, there exists a Borel set $V_1 subseteq V$ such that if we write $V_2 = V setminus V_1$ then $min(mu(V_1),mu(V_2)) > 0$. Let $widetildeV_j = bigcup_gamma in Gamma gamma V_j$. For each $j in 1,2$ the set $widetildeV_j$ is $Gamma$-invariant and since $widetildeV_j$ contains $V_j$ we have $mu(widetildeV_j) > 0$. By ergodicity it follows that $mu(X setminus widetildeV_j) = 0$ for each $j in 1,2$.
We claim that $widetildeV_1$ and $widetildeV_2$ are pairwise disjoint, which will lead to the contradiction $$0 < mu(widetildeV_2) leq mu(X setminus widetildeV_1) =0$$
We will establish the claim by showing that that existence of $x in widetildeV_1 cap widetildeV_2$ leads to a further contradiction. Suppose that there exists such a point $x$. Then there exist $gamma_1,gamma_2 in Gamma$ with $gamma_1x in V_1$ and $gamma_2x in V_2$. Since $V_1 cap V_2 = emptyset$ we have $gamma_1x neq gamma_2x$. Since $gamma_1x = gamma_1gamma_2^-1gamma_2x$ we see that $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are in the same $Gamma$-orbit. This cannot be the case since $gamma_1x$ and $gamma_2x$ are both elements of $V$ and $V$ contains at most one point from each $Gamma$-orbit.
$mathbfResponse,, to ,,comment$
The way to see that the set $V$ is Borel is to regard Borel sets as being defined by logical formulas. We say that a formula 'is Borel' if it defines a Borel subset of $X$. Countable existential quantifiers correspond to countable unions and not corresponds to complements. Thus these logical operations preserve the property of being a Borel formula.
It is implicit in the hypotheses that $Gamma$ acts by Borel automorphisms. Since $preceq$ is Borel, it follows that the predicate $gamma x prec x$ is Borel for any $gamma in Gamma$. The set $V$ can be defined as $$x in W: (not exists)(gamma in Gamma)((gamma x in W) wedge (gamma x prec x))$$.
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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– Ilia Smilga
4 hours ago
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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– burtonpeterj
3 hours ago
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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– Ilia Smilga
4 hours ago
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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– burtonpeterj
3 hours ago
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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– Ilia Smilga
4 hours ago
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Nice proof, thank you! One point remains non-obvious for me: "Since $preceq$ is Borel, the set $V$ consisting of the $preceq$-least element of each such set $mathcalO cap W$ is Borel." Could you elaborate on this?
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– Ilia Smilga
4 hours ago
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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– burtonpeterj
3 hours ago
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I responded as an edit to the answer.
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– burtonpeterj
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First a general comment. Unfortunately, the categorical approach is completely missing in the way the measure theory is still taught nowadays, and the fact that there actually is only one "reasonable" purely non-atomic probability measure space (so called Lebesgue, Lebesgue--Rokhlin, or standard probability space) isomorphic to the unit interval endowed with the classical Lebesgue measure is not very widely known. Any Borel probability measure on a Polish space makes it a Lebesgue space, so that in particular all measure spaces one has to deal with in the Patterson theory are from this class.
The definition of a wandering set you are using is a non-standard one. According to the usual definition a measurable set is wandering if all its translates are pairwise disjoint mod 0 (i.e., the intersection with almost any orbit consists of at most one point). However, it is very easy to see that the existence of a wandering set $W$ in your sense implies the existence of a "usual" wandering set $W'$. Namely, realize your measure space as the unit interval, and then for each orbit take the minimal point from its intersection with $W$. This operation is clearly measurable and provides you with a measurable set $W'subset W$, which is wandering in the usual sense.
You are asking why ergodicity implies complete conservativity. The reason (with the right definition of wandering sets) is very simple: the union of the translates of any non-trivial subset of a wandering set is obviously a non-trivial invariant set. Actually, more generally, the union of the free discrete ergodic components of the action is precisely the dissipative part of the Hopf decomposition. See Kaimanovich for more details and Grigorchuk - Kaimanovich - Nagnibeda for various examples concerning the relationship between dissipativity and minimality of boundary actions.
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First a general comment. Unfortunately, the categorical approach is completely missing in the way the measure theory is still taught nowadays, and the fact that there actually is only one "reasonable" purely non-atomic probability measure space (so called Lebesgue, Lebesgue--Rokhlin, or standard probability space) isomorphic to the unit interval endowed with the classical Lebesgue measure is not very widely known. Any Borel probability measure on a Polish space makes it a Lebesgue space, so that in particular all measure spaces one has to deal with in the Patterson theory are from this class.
The definition of a wandering set you are using is a non-standard one. According to the usual definition a measurable set is wandering if all its translates are pairwise disjoint mod 0 (i.e., the intersection with almost any orbit consists of at most one point). However, it is very easy to see that the existence of a wandering set $W$ in your sense implies the existence of a "usual" wandering set $W'$. Namely, realize your measure space as the unit interval, and then for each orbit take the minimal point from its intersection with $W$. This operation is clearly measurable and provides you with a measurable set $W'subset W$, which is wandering in the usual sense.
You are asking why ergodicity implies complete conservativity. The reason (with the right definition of wandering sets) is very simple: the union of the translates of any non-trivial subset of a wandering set is obviously a non-trivial invariant set. Actually, more generally, the union of the free discrete ergodic components of the action is precisely the dissipative part of the Hopf decomposition. See Kaimanovich for more details and Grigorchuk - Kaimanovich - Nagnibeda for various examples concerning the relationship between dissipativity and minimality of boundary actions.
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First a general comment. Unfortunately, the categorical approach is completely missing in the way the measure theory is still taught nowadays, and the fact that there actually is only one "reasonable" purely non-atomic probability measure space (so called Lebesgue, Lebesgue--Rokhlin, or standard probability space) isomorphic to the unit interval endowed with the classical Lebesgue measure is not very widely known. Any Borel probability measure on a Polish space makes it a Lebesgue space, so that in particular all measure spaces one has to deal with in the Patterson theory are from this class.
The definition of a wandering set you are using is a non-standard one. According to the usual definition a measurable set is wandering if all its translates are pairwise disjoint mod 0 (i.e., the intersection with almost any orbit consists of at most one point). However, it is very easy to see that the existence of a wandering set $W$ in your sense implies the existence of a "usual" wandering set $W'$. Namely, realize your measure space as the unit interval, and then for each orbit take the minimal point from its intersection with $W$. This operation is clearly measurable and provides you with a measurable set $W'subset W$, which is wandering in the usual sense.
You are asking why ergodicity implies complete conservativity. The reason (with the right definition of wandering sets) is very simple: the union of the translates of any non-trivial subset of a wandering set is obviously a non-trivial invariant set. Actually, more generally, the union of the free discrete ergodic components of the action is precisely the dissipative part of the Hopf decomposition. See Kaimanovich for more details and Grigorchuk - Kaimanovich - Nagnibeda for various examples concerning the relationship between dissipativity and minimality of boundary actions.
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First a general comment. Unfortunately, the categorical approach is completely missing in the way the measure theory is still taught nowadays, and the fact that there actually is only one "reasonable" purely non-atomic probability measure space (so called Lebesgue, Lebesgue--Rokhlin, or standard probability space) isomorphic to the unit interval endowed with the classical Lebesgue measure is not very widely known. Any Borel probability measure on a Polish space makes it a Lebesgue space, so that in particular all measure spaces one has to deal with in the Patterson theory are from this class.
The definition of a wandering set you are using is a non-standard one. According to the usual definition a measurable set is wandering if all its translates are pairwise disjoint mod 0 (i.e., the intersection with almost any orbit consists of at most one point). However, it is very easy to see that the existence of a wandering set $W$ in your sense implies the existence of a "usual" wandering set $W'$. Namely, realize your measure space as the unit interval, and then for each orbit take the minimal point from its intersection with $W$. This operation is clearly measurable and provides you with a measurable set $W'subset W$, which is wandering in the usual sense.
You are asking why ergodicity implies complete conservativity. The reason (with the right definition of wandering sets) is very simple: the union of the translates of any non-trivial subset of a wandering set is obviously a non-trivial invariant set. Actually, more generally, the union of the free discrete ergodic components of the action is precisely the dissipative part of the Hopf decomposition. See Kaimanovich for more details and Grigorchuk - Kaimanovich - Nagnibeda for various examples concerning the relationship between dissipativity and minimality of boundary actions.
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